hi the dutch-moroccans !!!!

nadouch · 28/10/2005, 19h31

Hi everybody,

I am French from Chleuh parents, born in Agadir.
I would love to have a discussion with you guys because you were born in Holland from Moroccan parents. Just, you know, to try to compare with our situation in France.

I am sorry 'cause I do not speak Dutch but I can write in English and German.

So is it better to be Franco-moroccan or Dutch-moroccan ?? What would be your opinion??

U_teghza · 28/10/2005, 21h18

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par nadouch le 28/10/2005 20:31:58
I am sorry 'cause I do not speak Dutch but I can write in English and German

igellb ukellal nnek ayligh urtessant madda tinit.

Tafart · 29/10/2005, 18h23

Hi Nadouch,

There are about 350.000 Moroccans here. We have also people from the south: Idan Ugnedif, Ida Usemlal, Achtuken, Tiznit, Ayt Baamrane, Ouarzazate, Agadir and the western High Atlas.

But they are a minority, some 10%. And they are doing very well. You should visit us here some day. It is very nice!

Timensiwin

[ Edité par Tafart le 30/10/2005 6:55 ]

nsummer · 20/12/2005, 09h33

I heard that I'm Amsterdam is a nice place, are there also many arabophone Moroccans like me in Holland ?

**agerzam** · 20/12/2005, 11h14

Most of Moroccans in Hollande come from the Rif. Some say that a lot of problems come from them because they are "hard" (not my opinion).

nsummer · 20/12/2005, 11h48

I attended to a litterature meeting between Moroccans authors and Nederlands authors in the French Institute of Rabat(Abdelkader Benali, Stitou : both of them born in the Rif): I was really deceived

Asmun Amazigh · 20/12/2005, 12h10

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Most of Moroccans in Hollande come from the Rif. Some say that a lot of problems come from them because they are "hard" (not my opinion).

Azul,

The majority of Moroccans in Holland are from the rif, Northern Morocco. But Agerzam, they are not HARD, they are STUPID, with all due respect

Asmun Amazigh · 20/12/2005, 12h29

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Envoyé par nadouch

Hi everybody,

I am French from Chleuh parents, born in Agadir.
I would love to have a discussion with you guys because you were born in Holland from Moroccan parents. Just, you know, to try to compare with our situation in France.

I am sorry 'cause I do not speak Dutch but I can write in English and German.

So is it better to be Franco-moroccan or Dutch-moroccan ?? What would be your opinion??

Azul,

I am born in Amsterdam, I consider myself to be an Dutch-Amazigh. My roots are in Agadir. The Iselhiyan/Isoussiyan community in Holland is doing very well and I am very proud of them

The Morrocan community in Holland is being a "victim" of the negative actions that are caused by the majority Moroccans in Holland; this majority is from the RIF.

I think that there is a lot of racism in France towards North-Africans, the Moroccan/Algerian youth does not get much chances to develop themselves in a positive way or direction, so they end up doing criminal activities and other stuff.

In that case it is better to be a Dutch-Moroccan, because of the possibilities and oopertunities the Moroccan youth has and gets in Holland, there is less racism and people respect you. But the majority Moroccans in Holland (most from the Rif) does not consider that, so they are being very rebellous, they don't know how to deal with freedom:rolleyes:

So I prefer that the Iselhiyan/Isoussiyan community in France moves to Holland and the Irifiyan community in Holland moves back to France; so they can really experience what it's like to be discriminated, then they really will appreciate the Dutch System.
Most of those guys need a good AKURAY, that is all

Tannmirt

nsummer · 20/12/2005, 15h21

Do you know the writer Abdelkader Benali ? I really disliked the way He spoke during the meeting, a little bit extremist: more jealous of nederland language more the " Bataves" themselves ..And he got the nerve to say that Morrocans don't have any language!!

Tafart · 20/12/2005, 17h31

On the whole Benali is right. The Moroccans, both arabophones and berberophones, don't have a language. Like Abdellah Bounfour once noticed: "les marocains ne parlent pas. Ils balbutient" (the moroccans can't talk, they just jabber).

Benali talked probably about his experiences with his native dialect tarifit wich is still a terra incognita. But he must have a lacune in his knowledge about other Berber variants which are very well adapted.

An other thing, please avoid social criticism as people don't always appreciate it even it is good for
the sake of everyone. It is a moral dilemma: who to deal with people maltraited by time?

20/12/2005, 11h14	#5 (permalink)
agerzam Webmaster Date d'inscription: mai 2003 Messages: 10 239	Most of Moroccans in Hollande come from the Rif. Some say that a lot of problems come from them because they are "hard" (not my opinion). __________________ Ur illa kra bla kra !

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28/10/2005, 19h31	#1 (permalink)
nadouch Membre récent Date d'inscription: octobre 2005 Messages: 1	Hi everybody, I am French from Chleuh parents, born in Agadir. I would love to have a discussion with you guys because you were born in Holland from Moroccan parents. Just, you know, to try to compare with our situation in France. I am sorry 'cause I do not speak Dutch but I can write in English and German. So is it better to be Franco-moroccan or Dutch-moroccan ?? What would be your opinion??

29/10/2005, 18h23	#3 (permalink)
Tafart Membre Senior Date d'inscription: février 2004 Messages: 1 047	Hi Nadouch, There are about 350.000 Moroccans here. We have also people from the south: Idan Ugnedif, Ida Usemlal, Achtuken, Tiznit, Ayt Baamrane, Ouarzazate, Agadir and the western High Atlas. But they are a minority, some 10%. And they are doing very well. You should visit us here some day. It is very nice! Timensiwin [ Edité par Tafart le 30/10/2005 6:55 ]

20/12/2005, 09h33	#4 (permalink)
nsummer Membre récent Date d'inscription: avril 2005 Messages: 494	I heard that I'm Amsterdam is a nice place, are there also many arabophone Moroccans like me in Holland ?

20/12/2005, 11h48	#6 (permalink)
nsummer Membre récent Date d'inscription: avril 2005 Messages: 494	I attended to a litterature meeting between Moroccans authors and Nederlands authors in the French Institute of Rabat(Abdelkader Benali, Stitou : both of them born in the Rif): I was really deceived

20/12/2005, 15h21	#9 (permalink)
nsummer Membre récent Date d'inscription: avril 2005 Messages: 494	Do you know the writer Abdelkader Benali ? I really disliked the way He spoke during the meeting, a little bit extremist: more jealous of nederland language more the " Bataves" themselves ..And he got the nerve to say that Morrocans don't have any language!!

20/12/2005, 17h31	#10 (permalink)
Tafart Membre Senior Date d'inscription: février 2004 Messages: 1 047	On the whole Benali is right. The Moroccans, both arabophones and berberophones, don't have a language. Like Abdellah Bounfour once noticed: "les marocains ne parlent pas. Ils balbutient" (the moroccans can't talk, they just jabber). Benali talked probably about his experiences with his native dialect tarifit wich is still a terra incognita. But he must have a lacune in his knowledge about other Berber variants which are very well adapted. An other thing, please avoid social criticism as people don't always appreciate it even it is good for the sake of everyone. It is a moral dilemma: who to deal with people maltraited by time?